You know i like to think of myself as quite a modern gentleman. Sure i stick with some traditionalist views and i am a bit old fashioned in some aspect but i am more than open to new ideas and advancements in the World. Lately there has been many loud cries in regards to gender segregation, particularly of Muslims in the Western World.

Apparently events run by Muslims have been “investigated” to be segregating genders, males on one side of the room and females on the opposite side of the room. Sure this does sound like a very different format that we are all used to- seeming we are a nation that identifies with co-mingling in every sense of the word.

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Scenes like the ones pictured above where Men and Women are “Segregated” In Muslim events has caused major uproar in the media about sexism.

 

This uproar though has caused massive media stir and juicy controversy. In order to prove that Islam is a religion that hates women, the fact that they must sit across from men in their religious meetings and mosques indeed proves this is a religion that discriminates against women- apparently.

Yet hold on one moment, you might be surprised to know Gender Segregation is already alive and well in our communities and nobody is kicking up a stink about it at all! In fact, even worse – we openly practice Gender discrimination– Let me give you a few classic examples here in the West that is happening right now.

 

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Female only gyms are becoming more popular.

Womens Only Gyms:

Currently across the country there are women only gyms. Am i as a male to take offence at this? Why can’t a woman workout in the same room as me? Is it because i am a man? Am i being perceived as a pervert?  Are women frightened of me?

Womens Only Cycling Group:

There are groups right now in Australia where women can only cycle with other women. Women instructors and Women cyclists. 

Womens Only Clubs:

The Lyceum Club in Melbourne, Australia is a perfect example of a strictly female only club. One of the main reasons this club exists is to keep every day women away from the “gaze” of men. Only male guests that know female members can visit.

Womens Only Cosmetic Surgery Teams:

Feel like a quick nip and a tuck but don’t want a dirty man to touch you? Too easy because right now you can take advantage of an all female cosmetic surgery team here in Sydney, Australia.

*Yet when a Muslim lady once asked for a female only doctor, her request made NEWS HEADLINES!Monash Hospital Agrees to female only doctor-after complaint”

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Dinah, the Worlds Biggest Party. For Women Only. For Lesbians only. No Males. No Straights.


World’s Biggest Party- For Women Only!:

Dinah is the Worlds Biggest Lesbian Pool Party that attracts up to 20,000 women only in Los Angeles, USA. Gay males? Keep out! Girls only bucko!

Womens Only Aged Care Facility:

The Opal Austral House in Manly, Sydney, Australia is one of many examples of “Womens Only” aged care facilities. Here they can feel safe and secure from their fellow old men.

Womens Only “Hackathon” Events:

Sydney and Melbourne last year hosted their first Womens Only Hackathon events. Where only female coders got together to share their tech-savvy views.

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Womens only train carriages exist Worldwide. Now proposed in Australia.

Womens Only Train Carriages:

Up to 10 countries already have “Women Only” carriages on their trains and a few of them are in developed countries too. This year Australia proposed a potential new “pink carriage” for female travelers only.

Now there is one very important difference between all of the examples above and the examples of Muslim Gender segregation in events. The Muslim events that are being scrutinized are INCLUSIVE of both sexes. Regardless of seating practicalities both men and women can attend.

Yet all of the examples that i highlight to you above (and there are many more). We find that it is gender EXCLUSIVE. So genders aren’t segregated but one entire gender is openly discriminated against. For example- as a male i could visit these Muslim events and functions. As a female you could visit these Muslim events and functions. Yet as a male i could NOT visit the above gyms. As a male i could NOT visit the above clubs. As a male i could NOT take part in the above events.

So when you scope out and take a look at these scenarios comparatively, we would clearly see that one of them is actually more discriminatory, because it openly doesn’t “segregate” the sexes but it actually isolates an entire sex. Yet there are no complaints about the above examples we find in our Western nations.

I believe that life is about choices. A woman, in a Muslim event should have the choice to sit with women or sit in an “open” environment- should she choose.  Yet with the examples i show above, do i- as a male have the choice to workout in that gym or join that party? Not at all! So essentially…Is Gender Segregation really such a big deal?

 

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Muslims in general, like any other community can and do free-mingle. Yet they wish to maintain the option for gender segregation in Islamic functions and events.

The option of having a “female only” section is something i have no problem with. Should a woman (or man) choose to prefer to be segregated then that is their prerogative. Yet for society to openly ban this idea of segregation and hence therefor force women, or men for that matter to sit in a manner that makes them uncomfortable is not a beneficial environment to me.

If a woman today is given the freedom to workout in a Female only gym to feel more comfortable, then i do not see the hostility to giving a Muslim woman the freedom to sit with females only in a Muslim function. 

To me there is a clear double standard where our current Western Society proudly boasts about the examples i gave you above. Where sexes are not segregated but sexes are clearly discriminated against. Nobody raises their voices in concern, cries foul or writes lengthy news articles about this norm. Yet once a Muslim wants to exercise their choice to sit in a segregated environment then all hell breaks loose.

It’s just oddly peculiar.

Peace

-R

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Comments
  1. .
    WOW, Ramey, I almost missed this piece ! ! ! ! !
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    Yes, women DO have separate gymnasiums to men. Many reasons:-
    (A) Because men exercise much harder, rougher and longer. Women prefer more gentler.
    (B) Because men perspire excessively. Women do not, so appreciate a perspiration-free air.
    (C) Because women require different toilet facilities.

    As I read down on your blurb, I realised you are pulling our chain!!!
    You want Aussies to bite!!!

    Australian treat women as equals to a certain extent.
    However women are women and prefer daintier things in life.

    On the other hand muslims look down on the female species with contempt.
    Aly Oop-oop put them in his world to reproduce and serve the male.
    Where do muslim ladies go for prayers in their local mosque?
    You will possibly say “in another room”!
    To which I ask – – – where?
    From reports I have read it is in the “bowels of the mosque” not even on the same level ! ! !

    Ramey the “double standard” charge you blow from your bugle is in the eye of muslims only.
    We never ever had problems with any other race of people. We all agree with the general mixing of males and females. The idea you are proposing is firmly based in islam and of islamic mindset. It wasn’t until non-muslim countries began accepting multitudes of muslims into our communities did these strange barbaric ideas (to us) appear through islamic demands.

    Same old war cry in return – You don’t like – – – USE THE DOOR ! ! !

    • ramio1983 says:

      Stop making excuses please :). As i said there are all of these facilities that strictly exclude a sex. This is discrimination because men can gym, men can cycle, men can be in aged care, men can have surgery and men can party!! 🙂 This just shows what a sucker you are, worrying about sexes being “Segregated” when our sexes are segregated in our own bloody schools!! Wow you crack me up, what a Lorrie! 🙂 In my article i simply state if Muslim women feel more comfortable sitting in a segregated environment separate to men, they should have the right to. I also believe that mixed crowds in these events are okay too. It’s all about choice! As for women and mosques each mosque is different, in the earliest days of Islam women went to the mosques and prayed in close proximity to the men. Don’t be a hpyocrite, if women can attend to their own female only parties, gyms, cycling clubs, nightclubs, aged care centres and work events then Muslim women should be allowed to have some of that cake too!!

  2. Tutt, tutt, tutt, tutt Ramey.

    You are suddenly very touchy about things.
    First it was the fact you have an Arab nose:
    Now because I answer your question regarding women having separate facilities to men!!!!!!!
    .
    This is an unnecessary, unspoken agreement between the two sexes.
    Both prefer it that way for the reasons I stated yesterday to which you sadly disagree.
    Women like a peaceful, relaxed atmosphere:
    Whilst men a happier in a boisterous, noisy, happy-go-lucky anything goes scene.
    You might not have experienced what I mean if you do not socialise outside of muslim groups so I will explain: Imagine the changing area – men preparing for, or finishing their exercises are in a jovial mood. They might fool around towel-slapping naked arses.Women see this as ridiculous and distasteful! In the gym proper, men might lower their weights a little too loudly, or talk or laugh to his male friend a little louder than normal (due to the increased noise). Men may move faster, even run on the gym floor – women are more sedate.
    ***If*** you have European non-muslim female friends might I suggest you enquire of them as to their thoughts on this matter – you *would be surprised* to find they agree with my reasons.
    .
    I shall ignore you opening rude remark.

    OK so to address you latest points.
    “As i said there are all of these facilities that strictly exclude a sex.
    This is discrimination because men can gym, men can cycle, men can be in aged care, men can have surgery and men can party!!”
    [ Ramey – if you really are Ramey – your post was not written in his usual style ]
    Do you have friends outside of your muslim friends? It certainly does not appear that way. Men are basically the stronger of the two sexes, so isn’t it obvious they cannot compete at the same level hence the necessity to be separate. This is altered whenever there is a group meeting such as the Olympic Games and similar, yet usually men and women never compete against each other in the same event. However recently women are beginning to expect to be in football and such sporting events which were usually male only (due to roughness).

    “This just shows what a sucker you are, worrying about sexes being “Segregated” when our sexes are segregated in our own bloody schools!!”
    Ramey, segregation in schools (now I am referring to European schools) would be limited to less than 2% – two schools in every 100 schools!!! Then it is only because a few European people consider having them mixed is a distraction. A little like a few unsegregated schools prefer to have their student’s desks separated (mostly they are in pairs for the convenience of space).

    Your next comment has left me puzzled. I have Googled the word without success:
    “Wow you crack me up, what a Lorrie!”
    The ONLY meaning was a truck!!!!
    You nocan unnerstan Egrish?

    “In my article i simply state if Muslim women feel more comfortable sitting in a segregated environment separate to men, they should have the right to. I also believe that mixed crowds in these events are okay too. It’s all about choice!”
    Your use of the word “if” (“if muslim women feel….” is noted!!! I doubt very much if muslim women DO PREFER to be segregated at their place of worship. However over the centuries it has become so ingrained to their mindset that they realise they have no choice but to accept being segregated away from their worship. All muslim men keep their women in “their place” – which means under the dominating choice of their male counterpart. Europeans teat women as equals as much as is possible. It is only when the difference is so great that segregation becomes necessary – toilets is the immediate point. In a home environment where there is just one toilet rules need to be set – menm, always lower the seat after having a piss!!! [ Possibly in an islamic home they do not even bother raising the seat simply dripping all over it!!!??? ].

    “As for women and mosques each mosque is different, in the earliest days of Islam women went to the mosques and prayed in close proximity to the men. Don’t be a hpyocrite, if women can attend to their own female only parties, gyms, cycling clubs, nightclubs, aged care centres and work events then Muslim women should be allowed to have some of that cake too!!”
    WTF?????? Are you taking something you shouldn’t be, or forgetting your medication, Ramey?
    ‘In the earliest days’ – – – are you really going right that far back, 2000 years??? ‘
    ‘….in close proximity to the men’ WE have our women beside us *in close proximity*!!! muslims have their women at best en masse on the other side of the congregation. Or in a different room to the general male-dominated congregation if there is just the one level. In Mosques where there are several floors, the women are relegated to the lowest possible level.
    The photo you chose as a your example is of a meeting of all muslims, all sexes, all ages, to denounce some section of our society which fails to meet your islamic standards such as why should Europeans pay for islamic halal certification – you want it, you pay for it.

    BTW Ramey invest in a word processing programme or learn to spell if you wish to use big words!!! The word H Y P O C R Y T E – – –
    Simple definition – a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold
    ***WOMEN*** who follow islam DO NOT HAVE THE CHOICE.
    Take care not to deny that Ramey – or show me a photo of women at prayers scattered throughout the male congregation – head down, arses up!!!

    PS
    Please, please, please bring back the legitimate Ramey (Ramio1983). This temporary substitute “Ramey” is bloody terrible.. JOSIE.
    .

    • Missus Josephine to Josie.

      Stop wasting your time with this individual you silly girl.
      He answers your comments whenever he has fuck all else to do.
      Other times he simply deletes them.
      You do realise he comes from a family who arrived in Australia full of hopes.
      They were successful and made a comfortable life for themselves.
      Ramey unfortunately was spoiled as a child
      and has grown up with the attitude the world owes him a living ! ! !
      Possibly has never done a hard day’s work in his life.
      Like all muslims (OK with a big honker) he considers himself to be ***THE*** MAN ! ! !
      You realise the figures used in his websites are all figments of his own imagination.
      Yes, yes, yes you are at least 9-10 of them,
      but remember possibly 100 or more are also members of
      ASIO, The Middle Eastern Crime Squad and other such organisations.
      So wake up dearie, make yourself another cuppa tea and return to your knOtting.

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